Post Grad Life w/ Paige Ruderman

by | Aug 25, 2020 | Podcast

Hello, you guys. What’s up. Welcome back to another episode of Hear and Now podcast. I’m so excited that you decided to join me back for another episode of this week because we have my friend Paige on hi Paige!. Hi, thanks so much for having me. Of course, I am so excited. You guys. She also has her own podcast, which I helped her create and I can’t wait to have you guys hear all about it.

It’s so good. And I love it. Yeah. But today, we’re going to talk about post grad life. And this is coming questions coming from an undergrad perspective to somebody who has post-grad experience. And I’m so excited for you guys to hear it. Don’t forget to check all the links down in the show notes. Paiges links for her podcast and Instagram and stuff will be there.

And don’t forget to leave a rating and review on the show. So without further ado, let’s just get started. So, hi, I’m so excited. I cannot believe that we have the opportunity to connect and do a guest interview. I love it so much. So why don’t we tell everybody a little bit about you and we’ll just get rolling with the questions.

Sure. Well, thank you so much for having me first and foremost. It has been awesome. Getting to work with you professionally and getting to know you personally. So thank you so much. Yeah. A little bit about me. So like Sophia mentioned, I start, I did my own podcast. It’s called, so. Rude. You can find it on all the major streaming services.

So please, you know, quick promo, please make sure you go check it out. Um, but a little bit about me. So I just graduated with my master’s in health promotion, um, a little over a year ago, which was a really great experience. And I’m happy to share a little bit about that in today’s episode. Um, but besides that, I’m just really creative.

So starting the podcast was really fun and I’m so excited to share some advice with you all because mentoring is something I enjoy. So really excited for today’s episode. I love it so much. So. Let’s go back to college years. Um, where did you go if you want to tell everybody, and what year did you graduate as an undergrad?

Yeah, so I went to the university of Delaware, which is located in the state of Delaware. If you don’t know where that is, that’s outside of Philadelphia, not far at all. And I went there 2011 to 2015. Yeah. So that was my undergrad. Okay, cool. So what did you get as your like bachelor’s degree from there?

Yeah, so crazy story. And maybe this makes everyone listening to this feel a little bit better about it. Um, but when I, once in college, I started off as an English major. I love to read, I love to write, and I thought that would just be a great opportunity to go down that path. And the summer between my freshman and sophomore year of college, I kind of had a wake up and I was like, is this really what I want to do?

I’m not sure I’d been on my own personal health journey at that time. So when I went back to college it’s sophomore year, I actually changed from, my major to health behavior science. Oh, wow. Okay. That’s really cool. So when you, you kind of went in with an English major, what was your like idea after graduation?

What were you going to do with that? Yeah, so my idea was to work for a publishing house. I thought it would be so cool. Yeah. I thought it’d be so cool to either be in like New York city or Chicago or something in a major city that is publishing all these books that people are picking up off the shelves.

I just thought it’d be cool to be a part of that. I love it. I really saw myself going. No. Yeah. I was like, I really want to publish a book. Like that’s really when one of my dreams. And so that would be super cool. Um, but then you decided to switch. So what was it like to kind of make that switch halfway through ish?

And what did you, what did you see yourself doing with that even after you graduated? Terrifying? I was so scared because I think I’ve talked about this before on my own podcast, but I think a lot of people can relate. There’s not a lot of people that go into the same career field as their parents. Yeah.

So it’s happened, but it’s not always the case. So when I chose English, no one in my family had ever done that. Either immediate family, extended family. And so when I went in, I was saying like, I’m taking a stand and this is what I’m interested in. And I’m going to try right out. And that’s a very clear path, like, okay, you got your English degree, you work for a publisher.

So when I changed. I was changing from something nobody in my family had done to another thing, no one in my family had done. And yeah, and that wasn’t even defined. There is not a very clear path for health promotion. And I can talk about that more if you’re interested, because there’s not so much of a clear path.

I got so many questions. Like, why are you choosing this? Even know who you want to do. Y and so then you have to feel a little bit nervous, right? Like absolutely your vision. Yeah, totally, totally terrifying. I can totally speak to that. Cause my dad is in the medical field and my mom was a special ed teacher.

And so I’m like, I don’t really like medical stuff. Like blood makes me gross out and I love like special education and teaching. But there’s just, I tried it out for a couple of months, um, as like a senior year, like shadow program. And it was not for me at all. Like I love kids and I can’t wait to have my own, but to take care of other kids with different personalities, it’s just not for me.

Okay. And God bless the people who do right, right out to you guys, you guys are so special, but then I’m like, what do I really, really want to do? And so. I originally went into college with a degree in occupational therapy and I was going to do a five year master’s program. But then I realized like that is such a defined path.

Like I kind of want to have flexibility. And so I switched to digital media marketing, which is exactly what I’m doing right now, but I couldn’t see me. I started doing it as a career longterm, and that’s crazy to think about, and then. Eventually after I had like my whole leave college, come home, do that thing.

I switched to theology as a major. And that is exactly believe what I saw myself doing longterm, even though what I’m doing right now is something completely different. Um, and so. Now you have this degree, what did you do after graduation? Did you go right to a master’s program or did you stay home?

Figure it out? Yeah. So the last semester of my program, we were required to have an internship. If you are in school right now and you haven’t yet had an internship, I strongly recommend one. It was my first serious. In the workforce opportunity. And the cool thing about being an intern is it’s trial and error.

Like if you made them as an intern, not saying you’re penalized when you’re a full time employee, but it’s expected, they know you’re going to make mistakes and you go to learn so quick, quick promo, if you’re interested in an internship, strongly recommend it. Yeah. During my internship, I worked for a company that was fantastic, hands down, loved it.

And I was with their employee wellness program. And I thought to myself, this is what I want to do. I have found it. This is it upon graduation. The problem with health promotion. Yeah. And employee wellness is they want to have a lot at, they want to have a lot of success with very little money. So they want a lot of work for as few people bull and as few dollars as possible.

Yeah. Yeah. And the problem is when you intern for, um, so I worked at a company that had their own wellness program. There’s no money there. It’s like they have their employees and they’re done. Sometimes you can work for a vendor. Companies can hire that vendor, but so upon graduation, I couldn’t work there and I had to look for other jobs.

You know, you hit the job boards, indeed monster LinkedIn. And I ended up, started to work in home health care. Okay. Wow. Yeah. I love that. So what, what kind of thing did you do while you were in the home health care? Yeah. So, so kind of different part of health. This was definitely the more clinical side. I worked in an office where we had nurses, physical therapists, occupational therapists, and they would go to the home of geriatric clients.

Older adults and provide health services for a lot of people that either just got out of surgery and needed some extra help. Maybe they had an illness or an injury that they needed support with. So definitely administrative in the clinical side of health. Okay. That’s awesome. So you worked for a bit, did you decide to go back to school after you worked for bell?

Yeah. So upon graduation there was, um, back from when I was, in my degree, a lot of students at that time were going directly into either a masters program or a secondary program. And I struggled through school. I’m definitely not one of those kids that got straight A’s just for fun. Like took a lot of work to get the grades that I got.

And even then they were in straight A’s. Um, I thought to myself, okay, you know, I did the school thing. I want to work when I was working, the company that I worked for in home health, I, they were a great company and they were definitely culturally a good fit. The problem was because the vast majority of their employees are nurses, physical therapists, occupational therapists.

It was very hard to grow if you weren’t one of those clinical employees. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So because of that, I thought, okay, well I liked the employee wellness part that I did in my internship. Maybe I’ll go back to school. So that’s what I did. Okay. So what did you end up graduating with a master’s in.

Yeah. So I went back from 2017 to 2019. So I had a two year gap. There was definitely two years of work experience between graduating my undergrad and going back for my masters. I got my masters of science and health promotion, which is very similar to public health. It’s creating a program to address a public health need.

Okay, cool. So. For all those, the stairs out there, would you recommend going straight to a master’s program after you graduate undergrad? Or what’d you say, wait a little bit to see what you really want to do. So the advice I’m about to give is definitely from my own standpoint, people are gonna know the best situation for them.

I have cousins that went to law school. You definitely have to go right away. I have other, I know people that wanted to become a physician’s assistant, definitely have to go right away. So, um, definitely take stock of your own situation. I really valued having some work experience under my belt before I went back to get my masters.

Right. If you think about it, your master’s is a specialty in something. So you’re now saying I am defining where I see my career going, and I want to know a lot about this single subject. Your undergrad is like a lot of subjects, kind of like a Jack of all trades. You’re kind of sprinkled out, but you pick a focus.

Masters is you pick, you, pick your one focus and you’re, and you’re focusing in on that. So I found having work experience before. Was beneficial because you can a bring real world life experiences to the classroom. And now you can actually say, Oh, well, like in this case, blah, blah, blah. And to you’re a little bit more defined in what, you know, you like working for a little bit, you may decide, you know what, I don’t like this change and now your master’s degree or your graduate degree of whatever it may be.

Is helping you get to where you think you want to go. Absolutely. That would make so much more sense because maybe you graduated with a degree together. Like, nah, I don’t really like it. And then you get into the workforce. You’re like, wow. Like I really, really want to focus in this one spot. You wouldn’t have found that.

If you didn’t work for a little bit. Um, so I think that’s really, really good at that. And I’m going to add one more thing if you don’t mind. Yeah. A lot of, well, this is pre COVID. I don’t know what’s gonna happen after COVID. So take those with a grain of salt, but a lot of companies would pay for you to go to school and get your master’s degree.

It may not be a hundred percent, but they’ll pay a portion, maybe a thousand dollars towards a class or whatever it may be best. A thing that could happen is you decide you got a job after undergrad, you start working. You’re like, Oh, I like this. I want to grow in this and they’ll pay a portion half, maybe even close to the full thing.

And you don’t even have to pay that much out of pocket. That is so true. That’s such a good piece of advice. I’ve heard so many people say that too. which just makes it all the more appealing to want to work after you graduate. I made her jobs. I’ve had. Have all offered to have all put some money towards tuition reimbursement.

That’s amazing so much. So after you graduate with your masters, what was it for you? So it hit me during my master’s degree, and this is kind of what prompted me to want to start my podcast, that a lot of the people in the health field approach health from a very textbook scientific, this is the facts.

Perspective, which is very important. I’m not downplaying that. However, a lot of the times in health promotion or public health, or this side of community based health, you’re dealing with a population of people that are not scientists. These are not doctors. These are not people researching this subject.

These are generic people that are facing very tough problems like diabetes, hypertension, chronic heart failure, whatever it may be. So you said the communication coming from the science part is not meeting the knowledge level of the people you’re trying to help. And so I was realizing this in school and I’m like, there needs to be a better way to communicate health information, to a population of people who actually have to make choices and deal with these problems.

So that’s kind of where my idea behind starting a blog, starting a podcast came from. How do we share health information is in an easy to understand why I love it. That’s great. So you kind of took that knowledge. I think that’s so great. Cause I even, I didn’t even know that, that you were taking this background of yours, that you were like, you know, degree have a degree in and turning it into something that you can almost work for yourself.

And you know what I mean? So are you working in a typical nine to five now? Yes. So funny story. I, and I think I can speak to this a little bit more as well. I was at a nine to five and what I thought would be the best role for me, knowing what I want to do longterm, which is share health information with people.

So I got a job. I worked at a nonprofit and I worked in grants administration, which I learned working there, grants fund, and so much of what happens. Research wise in this world, at least. Yeah. I found that, that it wasn’t the best fit for me. And so I actually just gave notice to that job and I’m going to go to another job that is not necessarily in my field, but it’s going to afford me the flexibility and the time and skills to grow my own.

Thing where I can eventually self-support as a podcast or YouTube or blogger type a that’s amazing. That’s so great. Yeah. Well, fingers crossed it hasn’t happened yet, but that’s the goal. Yeah. But that’s awesome that even want to like take the initiative to kind of start for yourself. So when you were in school, did you ever see yourself working as an entrepreneur, self employed person?

So going to undergrad go into master’s. No, I always envisioned for myself. I want to be the best employee for a company. Like I used to say that to myself. I used to say that in class, I wouldn’t be the best employee. I want to have the best, you know, record, whatever. I never thought I’d want to work for myself at all.

Wow. Yeah. I, I honestly wonder. Yeah, people ever start out that way, like even going to college, like I’m ever going to use this degree. I just wanna for myself, um, I’m kind of that way now where, like, I, I worked, I mean, I don’t have a ton of work experience, but I worked in retail, like my sophomore year of high school.

I was like, I hate that I have to work on somebody else’s schedule. Like I want to be able to make my own hours and. Since I’m still living at home. Like it’s not that much of a burden to have to worry about like paying rent and stuff, but it could be hard to have to self support by being an entrepreneur and trying to get your own business started.

Um, so what do you see yourself now that you have this like entrepreneurial, spirit? Where do you see yourself? And maybe the year or 10 years from now. Oh, that’s a great question. Um, so I noticed I started getting more interested in entrepreneurs, stuff, like you said, I didn’t like being on somebody else’s schedule.

I didn’t like that my work was being evaluated by somebody else. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It’s like, I know I’m going to do a good job and I only put my name on things that I think are good. Product and quality. So why am I being evaluated by somebody else? That’s kind of where it started. Okay. Yeah. I started watching shark tank.

Oh my gosh. I love that show so much. It’s so good. Right. And these people, and I’m not judging them, but you know, sometimes you see an, an idea on there and you’re like, Oh, what were they thinking? Yeah. And then other times you see it and you’re like, Oh my God, they’re a genius. I know I did it myself. Yeah.

And I used to joke around with my friends. Do you know what silly bands are? I don’t know much before. Yeah. I grew up on those. Exactly. So for people that don’t know, it’s essentially a rubber band shaped like an animal and the guy who created those is a millionaire. Like honestly, if people loved them and I used to say to my friends, I’m like, I just have to create the next silly band.

I just have to create digits spinner. Right. Like in your, like, can you even imagine when they created this little, little toy, like let’s take the fidget spinner. Why would that thing have taken off in a million years? But now it was all, all the rage. What was it like 2018, 2017 or something? Yeah. My roommate had like six of them all over the house.

What do you mean? The kids would bring them to school all the time, but like that’s, you just needed to create the day. So that’s product, but you like everything under the side has already been created. So what do I do now? Yeah. So go ahead. So things like that too. So I’m watching the tar tank. I started reading business books, which if you haven’t read the book by Damon, John called the power of broke, I have not.

You have not. Okay. Strongly recommend it. I will send you the link to it. Yeah. I read that book and that was the first time I was really like, you know what. I could really do something on my own need a million dollars. You need a, like maybe a thousand dollars to start. If that realistically, you just need wifi and a dream it’s so that is so inspirational.

I saw it on Pinterest. I can’t take credit, but I really liked it. That is so true though. Like I honestly, when I started my podcast a year ago, I honestly would have never thought that it would taken off, but all I needed was a basic microphone. I could have used my phone and wifi and that’s it. Yeah. And that’s all it took to start my career as an entrepreneur.

, so you watched shark tank. What gave you the idea to start a podcast, giving advice for post guide life? So. I think it was when we were getting close to graduation. And I saw a lot of the kids in my master’s program and I, we had drastically different visions. So a lot of the people in my program have gone on to become, you know, wellness coaches or work for employee wellness companies maybe get into epidemiology, which is the study of diseases, statistically studying disease.

And that was great. And I really thought to myself, I was like, Oh my God, if I have to work for the next 60 years for somebody else, is that really what I want to do? Yeah. And I just really started thinking to myself, I think that’s a great opportunity for people that want it. I just don’t know if that’s necessarily what I want.

Yeah. Because in my graduate program, we had a little bit of freedom. You’re going to school during the day. You’re taking classes at night and. Um, I’m sorry, you go to work during the day, your classes at night. And I just thought, wow. Like I have so much control over my schedule. Like I love this. So that’s when I really started thinking, I thought I had thought of something very good when I realized that the communication and health needs to be improved.

I didn’t know how to get to where I wanted to go yet, but I thought that if I could slowly just kind of work towards that goal, I think I’d be happy with what I find absolutely. That’s awesome. So how long ago did you start your podcast then? Okay, so super quick, honestly, it’s Sophia. You actually were a great inspiration and help for me.

I remember the first time we chatted and I kind of shared with you. Oh, I’m interested in starting a podcast. Yeah. Everyone else. I had mentioned this too. It was kind of like, all right, like good luck, hope it works out. But you were the first one that was like, this is possible. You can do it. And if you follow these steps, you can actually do that.

You could actually do so. And I remember getting, you know, after our conversations, thinking back and I was like, Oh my God, this, this girl nuts. Like it’s motivating, you know, And so working with you first off, you designed my cover art, which is I’ve gotten so many compliments on it. Thank you so much.

Lovely. That’s her art help with starting a podcast. If you even just want to brainstorm how your skills or something you’re passionate about can get you. On a side hustle, strongly recommend reaching out to Sophia. And now I think he’s even developed a nice friendship since strongly, strongly recommend it.

Yeah. Thank you for that little promo. Um, but yeah. So you started, it was at like two months ago. Okay. Can I just do a little bit of celebration for a moment? Yeah, I started on July 4th. That was when I actually uploaded my very first trailer and just. The other day, I had 278 downloads. That’s incredible.

What? A little over a month. Yeah. I mean, I know that’s not Joe Rogan or like whoever. Oh man. Hello, Bob. That was good for a nobody, you know, but it’s so good. I mean, It, it could take somebody years to get there. Um, and over a month, that’s amazing. I love it. So that’s so, so incredible. So what kind of stuff do you talk about right now?

Yeah, so when I first started, I thought I’m going to be strictly health. So we’ll sit down my first three episodes. I talk about health. I talk about social support. I talk about making a change. I talk about the built environment. So, you know, those are all health concepts, but what I realized in my master’s program, and even just talking to people who want to make a health change, there are so many other factors that play into whether or not you can successfully make a health change.

Like your environment, the people you surround yourself with. Um, your daily schedule. So I realized if I could just expand a little bit. And so I’ve grown into career and lifestyle advice, sometimes things like stress, anxiety, lack of sleep, those all play a role. So if we can address the things that are impacting that area as well, you’ll be more likely to succeed, really make a health change.

I love that. Yeah. So the topics we covered. Long winded, answer health, lifestyle, and career. I love it. So do you throw any like financial advice in there too? Yeah, actually I was in my master’s program and we had to do a project where we had to pick a public health concept and I picked financial literacy.

Oh yeah. I. I was really passionate about this subject. It actually impacts a lot of your health choices. You don’t realize it does. Um, and I can of course share more information in the future on that, but I dove into financial literacy from a health perspective, and that’s when I realized a lot of people don’t even have basic health, basic financial understanding.

To even start like savings accounts, what is your annual yield percentage rate and things like that. So I actually do, I’ve grown into talking more about finance on there as well. I love it. I mean, from like a post grad perspective, what do you think would be like the number one piece of advice you would give to somebody financially to undergrad students?

That’s a great question. I have two. The first is if you’re moving home, If your next step after college is moving home, there is no shame in that. There is, I live at home. I think you shared you live at home. We live at home because it really cuts down on a lot of your financial bills. It cuts down on a lot of your bills that you’re going to have so early after graduating, like unless you were working and going to school part time, realistically, you just took a four year gap of financial income.

Possibility. And now you’re trying to start building your wealth, right? It will be so much easier to get a financial little pot of gold going when you don’t have to pay things like rent, electric, water, sewer, electricity, cable, internet, right. I just named seven bills that you’re going to have if you decide to live on your own.

So taking came and living at home. There’s no, no problems with that. Yeah. Let’s say you accepted a job where living at home was just not an option, which isn’t a problem. My piece of advice there is you do not need the Taj Mahal as a first year out of college.

Yeah. Apartments, postgrad. And it’s like, they have brand new, you know, Ethan Allen furniture, they have six, you know, $2,000 rugs. Why, why are you buying all that first apartment? Also, some people don’t have roommates. There is no shame in having a roommate. Every bill that comes in the door now gets split in half.

Right. So if you’re living on your own after graduate school, get a roommate. So my dollar plus furniture, what you had, or the hand me downs, you can find Facebook marketplace and really, really start trying to build a, um, a little safety net, a little rainy day fund. Okay. Yeah. I definitely need to like start putting more effort into like finances, especially if you’re self employed, I feel like that’s so hard because nobody’s standing over you telling you how much you’re going to make this month.

It’s just so unpredictable. Um, and so I love that and I love that you said there’s no shame living at home. I mean, obviously like. I’m still younger, so I don’t have to totally worry about it, but you know, like, and you know, you’re, you’re at home too. Like what’s the shame. I love my parents. I want to be at home.

Like not having to worry about bills for a while. It’s really, really good. It takes a lot of stress off. So you said your, your podcasts is very like hashtag adulting, right? I love it so much. It’s so cool. Somebody who’s listening to this and maybe, you know, their senior year of college, what would be the first step for them to look into post grad life?

What, what would be the first thing for them to do when they graduate? Yeah. Yeah. That’s a great question. I have a couple of things that come to mind. The first big one is going to be, did you take out student loans? Because if you took out student loans, then either for the past two, four plus years, I have not been paying on them.

You don’t even know how much you owe, you know, how much you do out, but that has been accruing interest for the last, however many years by, I think you’re required to do a close out meeting with your financial aid office. But if you’re not, or if you didn’t think it was important, Pay attention to that meeting.

Find out when is the bill due? How much is the bill going to be? How long am I paying this bill right now? I have friends that graduated with a hundred plus thousands of dollars in debt. That’s a scary thought to think that if you declared, I’m getting a little off tangent, but even if you declare bankruptcy one day, your student loans do not.

Yeah. Go away. Right. before you think about planning your trip to like Bali, I strongly encourage you to figure out how much in student loans do I have to pay. Right. They’ll do. Cause if you miss any of those bills, you’re in trouble. What, it’s not too late that you can’t get it back, but I strongly encourage you to figure that out.

That’s really. That’s really good. I think that’s super important. I honestly wouldn’t even thought about that at all. Um, that’s great to know. Um, so what about somebody who’s kind of like curious about wanting to go into the workforce, um, and is not sure what’s the right career path for them. Oh, I am your girl.

Honestly, I talk a lot about health and I think health is really important, but for a long time, I did not know what I wanted to do. So here’s my advice. Do you have a LinkedIn? If the answer is no, I strongly strongly encourage you make a LinkedIn profile. The reason being your LinkedIn profile is essentially your resume to the world.

So you can go on there. You can put the skills that you have. Did you take any project management or budgeting or finance or writing or whatever courses? That’s a skill. Put it on your LinkedIn. Next friend, everyone, you know? Yeah. Friend to everyone, if they were in your class one semester and all you know, is that their name is John Brian.

John make that connection because the coolest thing about LinkedIn is it’s your network. So once you have your network of people, you know, you can then start reaching out to people. You don’t know. So if you’re somewhat interested, you said digital marketing, right. Somewhat interested in digital marketing.

And there’s a really cool company down the street. Like Campbell soup, Campbell soup is in Camden. If you’re somewhat interested that this is like a sponsor for them, but like I thought of. If you’re interested in Campbell soup, reach out to someone typing Campbell soup, find the digital marketer, the marketing coordinator, whoever, and just make a connection, reach out and say, Hey, I stumbled across your profile.

I saw that you work in marketing for Campbell soup. That’s so cool. Would you be interested in hopping on the call? That is networking. Wow. It’s literally networking in a nutshell. I love that. I always like pushed for networking within like social media, Facebook groups and stuff. But honestly, like LinkedIn is probably the last thing that’s on my mind, but that is so, so good.

Yeah. I’m definitely going to, we take action on that myself. You know, not that I’m actively looking for jobs, but you never know the opportunities are to come out by network, especially if you’re like trying to publish a book, right. We’re starting a podcast or something like, who knows what’s going to come out of that.

So that’s genius. I love that so much. Yeah. And it’s so funny, you talk about networking. A lot of people get intimidated when they hear the word networking, but I just want to mention everyone is at home because of quarantine right now. Right? Like not everyone, but a vast majority. Yeah. People are bored for four months.

Maybe even close to five. They are bored. Someone reaching out and wanting to hear advice from them. They want them to talk about themselves to hop off that opportunity? Oh my gosh. Yeah, absolutely offended if people don’t answer, because one, you could be lost in the shuffle too. They could be not using LinkedIn successfully and haven’t checked it for a while.

Three. They’re just not interested in making connections. They don’t know. However, when you limit yourself to only the people that you know, you’ve now cut your network in half. That’s so good. You’re not meeting anybody new. So never, I say never hurts to ask. It never hurts to reach out. And also you’re a student, you’re a postgrad.

That is the perfect excuse. Hey, I just graduated college and I’d like to know, blah, blah, blah. Not saying you can’t do this when you’re older, but there’s just so much more forgiving. Behavior around students. Yeah, that’s be true. I love that. That is so genius. So as soon as we’re done, I’m going to hop on that and figure that out.

Yeah. And if you’re not, you can connect with Sophia and I on LinkedIn, I accept any requests. I’m happy. I’m happy to help point you in the right direction. If there’s someone, you know, you’re interested in meeting, or you just want to chat more. Yeah, I can be your first connection and Sophia can be your first connection.

We’ll leave our profiles in the show notes below. So you guys can check us out, but this episode was jam packed with so much information. So just to like kind of close it out, where can people find you? And what can you do to help them as budget coach? Yeah. So if you aren’t already make sure you connect with me on Instagram, so rude dot podcast, I’m on Twitter as well at so rude podcast.

Um, And on both of those, you can find my email or my Instagram. So for just me personally, so make sure to check them out too. You need help building a budget. I’m your girl. I have a budget template that I’m happy to share with you. If you want to hop on a call and we can talk about it more in depth because of student loans, credit card debt, whatever you may be, make sure you reach out to me.

I’d love to help you get more financially secure because if we’re financially secure, we’ll be secure. Moving forward. I love it. So all of her stuff will be linked in the show notes below. Um, I like, honestly want to keep talking more because you have so much wisdom and I just love it so much, but I’ll seek that for myself.

You guys get out of it anyway. Um, but yeah, so I’m so glad that we were able to acquire this episode. One of the major things that. Mike, my audience asked was for people who were in college, just graduated or business owners and like you’re all of those things. So I’m like, I have to have you on the show too.

Um, so I’m so excited for you guys to see the rest of the guests that I have lined up coming soon. And Paige will be back. She will be back, right? Yes. Yes. Thank you so much for having me. Don’t forget to listen to her show so rude. Um, and you guys can check out the cool cover that she keeps ranting about too.

, but without further ado, thank you guys so much for tuning into this episode. Thank you so much for joining me this week. Um, and I guess we will see you guys by next time. Right? Right. And make sure you continue to listen to Sophia here. And now it’s a great podcast. Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure to talk with you all and I can’t wait to chat again soon.

Yeah. All right guys. Have a wonderful weekend. We’ll see you next time. Bye.